Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

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    Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.
    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.
    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,
    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."
    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,
    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"
    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,
    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."
    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!
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    Published on 14 days ago

    Comments

    1. Looper

      How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

      1. Stephanie H

        I don’t get people that say the last scene was real and not everything else. Like if nothing really happened then how the hell did he have the capacity to kill the psychiatrist? One would say “oh he strangled her” but he literally had blood on his foot. And if that theory was supposedly true he wouldn’t have the capacity to even kill a person.

      2. happinesstan

        Most of it. The scene in which he is in the audience at Murray's show (I have my suspicions that Murray's joke may have also been Arthur's delusion, based on the fact that Arthur laughs in time) and his relationship are delusions. The 3 flashback scenes that many complain about, grounds the rest of the story [up to that point] in reality. I think the joke is that Arthur has lived a life of obscurity in a society where he doesn't belong, but now that society has placed him where they think he belongs, he will gain notoriety. I'm no Batman aficionado, but it strikes me that Joker's success could be in his ability to manipulate the minds of the criminally insane. As a talented clown he has alreay demonstrated his ability to mesmerise. However, I do believe there is one joke aimed at the audience. And that joke is introduced in the scene which introduces the cinema audience [it seems painfully obvious]. In 1981 the audience are watching a 1936 film, named 'Modern Times', laughing, whilst outside the world destroys itself. It reminds me that it is over 40 years since Scorsese entertained us all with his warnings, and yet here we are again. Top film.

      3. Sevren Hoover

        Pogokoala agree 110%

      4. Painted Solace

        @Ben Owen was that not the same person?

    2. RainbowPanda

      I refuse to believe he isn’t the real Joker. He was too good to not be and I’m really sad there won’t be Joker and Batman movie.

    3. Twistncrawl

      Joker: The only dancer to induce a compulsory, involuntary bowel movement. Shit got real!

    4. VOORHEES II

      I hope this guy is the real joker, he’s fuckin awesome

    5. Vultorus

      If it never happened, and he’s not really the Joker, then what’s the point of it? Seems dumb and disappointing

    6. ruby young

      I really enjoyed the movie and Joaquin was an incredible joker who depicted him amazingly but I feel like the whole “Oh ThiS iS sO deEP iT miGht noT be EveN rEal” trope is pretty lazy for the director and gives off that vibe of when you’d finish a story in middle school by saying “ and I woke up and it was all a dream” because you didn’t know what else to say

    7. S Paea

      Marvel Universe: this is ours. DC Black: we're see in 24 months.

    8. boshankers12

      In my opinion, this is a perfect movie. Please Todd, don’t ruin it by trying to be too creative and artsy with the meaning behind the movie.

    9. Nino Romanazzi

      If it was all made up. The Wayne murders must of been true

    10. Jesse DeVries

      I highly doubt the everything made up theory and hes not the joker will never be the "canon" choice so to speak. That cliche is over done and has never made people happy. I dont think all of it was true but yes I think arthur is the real joker, him saying u dont get it at the end, the camera pans to bruce wayne. Hes implying that in the moment where he created his true self "joker" he also created his arch nemesis at the same time. Scene at the end takes place on the future, and the movie is him remember how he got there.

    11. ExplosiveSneeze

      In my opinion this movie is ruined if it’s just some random guy making this story up in his head

    12. The Wastelander

      3:18 "No, definetely not" but he nods...

    13. Ross Is Lost

      LoL...so basically, we now have to change the name of this movie to "JOKER??...maybe?" :p

    14. Misanthropy Rex

      This film is a masterpiece, as far as I am concerned. Joaquin Phoenix is phenomenal. As someone who suffers from mental illness, this was both painful and enlightening to watch. Hopefully more people will understand the pain that Arthur Fleck went through

    15. OutatimeTV

      God I hope he’s actually the joker. I’m gonna be so upset if he’s not

    16. Matejko108

      I think the point is that we don't know what events really happened and what is just part of his delusion because he doesn't know himself. because we are put in his point of view, and he himself doesn't know what really happened because he's losing his grip on reality. Fantasy and reality merges for him. This is the oirigin story as experienced/remembered from the Joker's perspective. That's why we won't ever know 'what really happened', but only how it was experienced and how it is rememberred subjectivelly by a psychotic.

    17. Kurtis Power

      The movie was made so well I left thinking wow what a great character building movie! And now it’s taken away from me :(

    18. Gambit Bronson

      “If I’m going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!” - Joker, The Killing Joke

    19. Jasmine Gayle

      I love this interpretation. I think they're waiting to see if the Joker figures out that it's been about them all along, and then the response to that realization.

    20. Light Screening

      True, not true, multiple choice or not it's a great story that raises several social and political questions... Couldn't escape them when I reviewed it.

    21. Omniscience

      I think the joke was that: Joker created Batman

    22. Παναγιώτης Δημ. Τσιγκρής

      A very good movie inspired you to have a good yogurt and fresh tomatoes to throw on the big screen!!!

    23. Bicey

      If the whole movie is just a random crazy person in Arkham Asylum, I will be very, very disappointed. I wanted to see a movie about Joker.. not some random nutcase playing make believe in his head.

    24. Ett Gammalt Bergtroll

      That would literally ruin the movie if true.

    25. Degal 76

      “Sybil”

    26. N3AUDIO

      How can I dislike this video MORE than one time?

    27. TheColossalBlanket

      God I hope it isn't a whole 'it was all in his head' thing. That should've started and ended with fight club.

    28. Joesefsky 12354

      Has anyone found the name of the background music in this video?

    29. Deepfire67

      They can tell us what they actually meant for it to be, or we can all just agree to keep it as Arthur actually being The Joker and all of this actually happened

    30. Daniel Pfeifer

      Notice that the train he was sitting in in the scene were he allegedly bothered this ladys kid and at the end were looking quite similar? Maybe this was the point where he started fantasising because he was bored and wasnt allowed to make the kid laught anymore sk he just thought abkut what makes himself laugh

    31. Konrad Wawrzyniak

      I like to think a final joke is something like: "What you get if you cross an elite boy with a hateful, lost society that killed his parents in front of him?". I mean, at the final scene in Arkham Asylum there is a picture of young Bruce standing clueless behind his dead parents, while Joker's laughing background. That is an only picture showed, besides current time situation in hospital. It must means something and surely is connected with a joke. Theory that a whole plot was a joke is a joke itself. Must be. But of course there are arguments in favor of it. Matter of interpretation. Those who don't want to see a problem presented, maybe will take it. And I hope that will be only the Academy, cause otherwise I'm really concerned about Oscar's rewarding fairness this year. Media lost it's way.

    32. Ceedot

      If they make a movie so groundbreaking then do nothing else with the story and then they're just as stupid as justice league haha, Phoenix was the perfect role

    33. Omar Refaat

      I don't think that he is THE JOKER at least it's not the movie name, it was clear as crystal '' Joker '' . I think he is a joker who fooled us with this big joke of being the real JOKER.

    34. Gábor Lengyel

      People have to just STOP considering this “nothing was real” bullshit. In the Killing Joke, Arthur the bad comedian turns into Joker, so it’s exactly what happened in the movie as well. The only things that were imagined were the Sophie interactions and him appearing on the Murray Franklin Show.

    35. Lol i think at the end he just has nowhere to go so they find him and send him to Arkham. He's not the joker yet either way. The joker is a criminal geniud mastermind, and he wasn't quite there yet. I believe he needs a little Arkham to complete his transition. Maybe he'll meet a few friends there as well.

    36. Carlos Fernandez

      So cool

    37. S.C

      Can't figure why time 11:11 appears on clocks at least 3 times: the first therapy session, asylum flasback and on the time card thing. Any theories? Phillips sort of said two times is a coincidence but we don't think so

    38. David Solomie

      It's simple. Joker realised that the chain of events that he kickstarted ended with Thomas Wayne's death. He finds it funny that he indirectly killed Thomas.

    39. Pobzify

      I don't care if Joaquin's Joker is gonna have a face-off with Batman or not, just give us a sequel!!! 😂

    40. Testus Test

      Thomas Wayne: "...those of us who´ve made a good life for ourselves will always look at those who haven´t as nothing but clowns" Bruce Wayne: "As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting." Joker: "C´mon, Murray, do I look like the kind of clown who could start a movement?"

    41. Dark Chocolate

      It's just a movie, geez. None of it really happened. Just watch it and enjoy.

    42. PolarPhantom

      "This is an imaginary story. "Aren't they all?"

    43. Curlieq55

      Well, he can’t be the Joker as Batman’s nemesis because of the age difference between Arthur and Bruce Wayne. I feel that the movie’s real takeaway is how society treats its mentally ill and its lower middle class to poor. Joker was just the vehicle.

    44. Siddhant Upadhyay

      I hope the killings were not a imagination because he is a DC villain for god’s sake

    45. Peter Krug

      Other than the scene we see early on where Arthur is on Murrays show and Murray hugs him (which I think is pretty obvious just Arthurs fantasy) I assumed every scene in the film was supposed to have really happened. (In the films fictional world, that is.)

    46. DRE Dre

      Maybe r a k i m' s character inspired the joker

    47. DogeBread

      NOW. THATS. NOT. FUNNY.

    48. arno olv

      Then why is this a DC movie if isn’t in anyway related to the Joker.

    49. Joe Second

      Arthur is roughly 35 years older than Bruce in this world. This joker would be 80 by the time Batman is Batman.

    50. oskari lepisto

      why cant this movie just be a true story about the 1 and only joker

    51. Daniele Manno

      Great video

    52. ShockwaveDawn

      I was thinking a lot about "Gotham" (the show), where the backstory of the Joker is also presented, but also with the idea that the Joker comes from seeing the events happening around him, rather than actually being part of the events. In "Gotham" the character of Jerome also inspires the people to become "Jokers", and so it's implied - although we never see the actual Joker - that he was influenced by a maniac and so came to be, still without us knowing his actual background.

    53. St Pietro

      This is a really good movie but if they’re not connecting it to the new Batman it was a waste. The problem with the dceu is that they can’t keep an actor and make the movies connect. I hope they reevaluate and connect this with the new Batman movie. I don’t want to have to watch shitty marvel movies

    54. Youngdon Thesauceking

      I don’t get why they wouldn’t continue this joker and create their own universe, to me this is like the true beginning of the dceu. What’s the point of making a joker movie, casting Robert Pattinson as Batman, and showing Batman’s origin story, just to stop it here.

    55. Rolnik Aitmatov

      To be fair, when there was the scene where he was in the police car with the "white room" playing I kinda wanted too to go on a riot

    56. Bąbel

      I honestly, after reading people's theories and having watched the film once, have shifted this way: (because of one detail) At no point in the story is it mentioned where he actually got his scars. What we know is that he must've acquired them before all the story of The Dark Knight, and essentially every film that comes after Joker (2019). Taking this into consideration, I've come to believe that he is NOT the real Joker. He is one of the possibilities the real Joker's plot could've gone towards. Let me explain: this film is not the original prequel to the story of the Joker himself, but a parallel prequel in time to the actual prequel that is to come some day. This would explain the director's precise answer, that Joaqin's Joker WILL NOT cross with The Batman in the sequel, because he simply isn't the Joker and will have his parallel storyline, which might, for example, show the escalation of the real Joker's action's, and Arthur taking the blame (his conscience or otherwise), going insane, and ending up locked up because of a MEMBER OF SOCIETY that wanted to show how society is bad, closing the loop because of actually making one of his soulmates suffer in the process. That would've been the joke.. This way, the last scene of Joker (2019) would be situated in time when the chaos starts to spin off some point in time when the actual Joker goes on a killing spree.

    57. Adrian Schneider

      Think about Ben affleck the worst Batman who had no Joker in his movies. Arthur Fleck is a Joke about Ben affleck as Batman and is just a „JOKE“ from the Joker. Behause we Never Heard- of the Name Arthur Fleck. Jack napier is a name i Heard

    58. Fly wie Lubitz

      The real joker lives in a society

    59. Adrian Schneider

      Arthur Fleck is just a „Joke“ from the Joker. Its exactly this Kind of Humor. Thats why he Said „you wouldnt understand“. it was the First „real“ scene.

    60. Elena Sos

      Todd Phillips is an amazing filmmaker

    61. fact gasm

      Personally I thought the last scene was straightforward enough. Joker walks away, leaving his psychiatrist's blood in his footprints. "You won't get it" he says.

    62. fact gasm

      Superb movie. The makers really understood how someone can slide all the way from struggling with life all the way to insanity. I felt very sorry indeed for the main character. He had a bad start in life and took one huge blow after another in quick succession with no safety net there to catch him. That's why he resorted to suicide ideation. He couldn't take being who he was any longer, being a no-one, rejected, humiliated and tormented every direction he turned. He had to become someone else. Once he found a source of strength, a way to punish and to eliminate those who wronged him, he felt power - probably for the first time in his life - and suddenly he was a someone.

    63. fact gasm

      Superb movie. The makers really understood how someone can slide all the way from struggling with life all the way to insanity. I felt very sorry indeed for the main character. He had a bad start in life and took one huge blow after another in quick succession with no safety net there to catch him. That's why he resorted to suicide ideation. He couldn't take being who he was any longer, being a no-one, rejected, humiliated and tormented every direction he turned. He had to become someone else. Once he found a source of strength, a way to punish and to eliminate those who wronged him, he felt power - probably for the first time in his life - and suddenly he was a someone.

    64. Aglaitso

      So... no one's going to talk about the "Arthur flex" on the beginning?

    65. Noël de Cocq van Delwijnen

      If the whole movie is an imagination of Phoenix or he tells a story because he wants to chose a past, why would he have any imagination inside his imagination? He tells a story about his past but within that story he makes up things wich he believes really happened.......in his imagination that is because he tells a story...that doesn't make any sense. So for me everything really happened except offcourse being in the audience with Murray and having a girlfriend.

    66. Ryan English

      Don’t shit on a masterpiece by saying “it was all a dream” 😑

    67. walter black

      this was real Hollywood movie (before spielberg Comes)

    68. Slayerlv

      I just saw the movie it was awesome.. my take of the film is that everything happened as we saw it from him getting mugged in the alley to killing people in the subway I feel he was telling his story to the shrink in the hospital at the end of the movie which would explain the hallucinations about the girl friend and other hallucinations in the movie at the end where he laughs at himself about his life being a joke saying that she wouldn't understand

    69. Hellspectre1

      Hello anyone wanna talk? I like to have some human interraction

    70. MrJustwatchin9 Ontheinnanets

      Arthur was probably the progenitor of the Jack Napier joker who Possibly could be a copycat joker and took it to the next level.